Comments on: New Three Point Line Impact http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:32:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JBowling http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13699 JBowling Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:57:16 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13699 Yes he did. And he will be remembered at least in the short term. I thought his defense was pretty respectable too. Yes he did. And he will be remembered at least in the short term. I thought his defense was pretty respectable too.

]]> By: william http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13698 william Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:43:49 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13698 Frasor does seem like the savvy type who might go into coaching. Wes Miller did seem to lose his shot a little during his Senior year, but overall, Miller, the walk-on had an excellent career at UNC. Frasor does seem like the savvy type who might go into coaching. Wes Miller did seem to lose his shot a little during his Senior year, but overall, Miller, the walk-on had an excellent career at UNC.

]]> By: Heels Perspective http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13697 Heels Perspective Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:34:59 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13697 Wonder if we'll see our ALL-Defensive lineup in some games? Ginyard Frasor Davis Tyler Drew Wonder if we’ll see our ALL-Defensive lineup in some games?

Ginyard
Frasor
Davis
Tyler
Drew

]]> By: Tar Heel Fan http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13696 Tar Heel Fan Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:33:17 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13696 Roy has often commented on how smart Frasor is and how extensively he understands the game. His contributions are on the defensive end and not even so much with who he guards but apparently he does a lot of talking out there which helps coordinate the defense. I think most of us had hoped Frasor would do what Wes Miller did in 2006 and be a reliable three point shooter. Roy has often commented on how smart Frasor is and how extensively he understands the game. His contributions are on the defensive end and not even so much with who he guards but apparently he does a lot of talking out there which helps coordinate the defense.

I think most of us had hoped Frasor would do what Wes Miller did in 2006 and be a reliable three point shooter.

]]> By: william http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13695 william Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:04:11 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13695 Ginyard has really improved as an offensive player. I really expect him to take minutes, as will Drew, which will leave fewer guard minutes available. Ginyard has really improved as an offensive player. I really expect him to take minutes, as will Drew, which will leave fewer guard minutes available.

]]> By: JBowling http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13694 JBowling Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:38:02 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13694 Thanks guys. Maybe my recollection of his better shooting performances were in his sophomore season. I just know they don't seem to drop as much as they used to. I think he is a pretty good defender, and brings some intensity with it. That may be where his minutes come from during the season. Same can be said with Ginyard. Although, I really think Ginyard is good on offense, but just defers to other players. That's OK because we have a lot of offensive weapons. It is just the fact that I hate to see defenders lay off of him, and I have to watch him not stick-it to them for that. There have been a few occasions that I have watched him drive the ball in the paint and score in traffic. Shades of Brian Reese. He just rarely does it. Thanks guys. Maybe my recollection of his better shooting performances were in his sophomore season. I just know they don’t seem to drop as much as they used to. I think he is a pretty good defender, and brings some intensity with it. That may be where his minutes come from during the season. Same can be said with Ginyard. Although, I really think Ginyard is good on offense, but just defers to other players. That’s OK because we have a lot of offensive weapons. It is just the fact that I hate to see defenders lay off of him, and I have to watch him not stick-it to them for that. There have been a few occasions that I have watched him drive the ball in the paint and score in traffic. Shades of Brian Reese. He just rarely does it.

]]> By: william http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13693 william Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:19:32 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13693 The even sadder thing is that he really is no better from two point range than three point range. The three pointers he takes tend to be fairly easy three pointers where he is set up for the shot by someone else and he still cannot hit them. His overall free throw percentage for his career at UNC is .69, which is okay, but certainly not great for a guard and it is trending downward as his career has gone on. It is kind of hard to believe that he was basically the starting point guard on a top ten team three years ago and now has to struggle for any minutes at all. Both he and Greg Paulus probably figured things would be a lot different at this point in their careers. I have a feeling that Frasor will end up okay, though, maybe as a coach. The even sadder thing is that he really is no better from two point range than three point range.

The three pointers he takes tend to be fairly easy three pointers where he is set up for the shot by someone else and he still cannot hit them.

His overall free throw percentage for his career at UNC is .69, which is okay, but certainly not great for a guard and it is trending downward as his career has gone on.

It is kind of hard to believe that he was basically the starting point guard on a top ten team three years ago and now has to struggle for any minutes at all. Both he and Greg Paulus probably figured things would be a lot different at this point in their careers. I have a feeling that Frasor will end up okay, though, maybe as a coach.

]]> By: Asheville Heel http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13692 Asheville Heel Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:54:33 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13692 Interesting that you mention Bobby and his struggles from the 3-point line. I am trying to remember his freshman year and can't quite seem to picture his shooting form then. I am certainly no shooting guru and would never maintain that I know anything more about a player than the coaches who see them everyday. However, I will make an observation from watching Bobby shoot. I was always taught that the ball is an extension of the hand and arm and continues on down the torso through the hips and legs all the way to the floor. Everything should basically be moving in a single plane (almost in a straight line from the floor up) on the way to releasing the ball. With Bobby, it appears that his hips are back and his body is forward (look at his booty appearing to stick out at release). In short, his lower body is not in sync with his upper minimzing his leg contribution. In my opinion this balance variance tends to make his shot flatter and longer causing more back iron misses. Attempting to adjust his trajectory to what he is seeing would only cause his release to be less consistent and worsen his rhythm and results. As you can tell I like to analyze things. I would not offer this opinion (and that's all it is) on any forum other than here on THF. I would love to see Bobby find his shot and regain his confidence. He's a great young man whose importance to this team is highly valuable! Interesting that you mention Bobby and his struggles from the 3-point line. I am trying to remember his freshman year and can’t quite seem to picture his shooting form then. I am certainly no shooting guru and would never maintain that I know anything more about a player than the coaches who see them everyday. However, I will make an observation from watching Bobby shoot. I was always taught that the ball is an extension of the hand and arm and continues on down the torso through the hips and legs all the way to the floor. Everything should basically be moving in a single plane (almost in a straight line from the floor up) on the way to releasing the ball. With Bobby, it appears that his hips are back and his body is forward (look at his booty appearing to stick out at release). In short, his lower body is not in sync with his upper minimzing his leg contribution. In my opinion this balance variance tends to make his shot flatter and longer causing more back iron misses. Attempting to adjust his trajectory to what he is seeing would only cause his release to be less consistent and worsen his rhythm and results. As you can tell I like to analyze things. I would not offer this opinion (and that’s all it is) on any forum other than here on THF. I would love to see Bobby find his shot and regain his confidence. He’s a great young man whose importance to this team is highly valuable!

]]> By: william http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13691 william Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:45:11 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13691 Bobby, is the type of player that seems to be more proficient offensively than his stats would indicate. Perhaps it is his demeanor and hustle. Unfortunately, on the offensive end, he has never been particularly distinguished as an outside shooter, or really as a shooter at all. His best performance from beyond the arc was in 2007 when he shot .368, but he only attempted 38 shots from beyond the arc that season. In 2006, he shot .310, in making only 27-87 shots from behind the arc. In 2008, he made 9-30 shots from behind the arc, for .300. This year, he has made 5-19 for .263 from behind the arc. Overall, Frasor shot an anemic .374 from the field in 2006, then .403 in 2007, .342 in 2008, and he is shooting .241 so far this year. He is not a particularly good free throw shooter, finishing above .70 only one season in free throw percentage. Some of you guys watch the defensive end better than I do, and one can surmise that based upon Frasor's offensive statistics, he must be absolutely fantastic on defense to garner the minutes he does. It is a mystery to me. Bobby, is the type of player that seems to be more proficient offensively than his stats would indicate. Perhaps it is his demeanor and hustle. Unfortunately, on the offensive end, he has never been particularly distinguished as an outside shooter, or really as a shooter at all.

His best performance from beyond the arc was in 2007 when he shot .368, but he only attempted 38 shots from beyond the arc that season. In 2006, he shot .310, in making only 27-87 shots from behind the arc. In 2008, he made 9-30 shots from behind the arc, for .300. This year, he has made 5-19 for .263 from behind the arc.

Overall, Frasor shot an anemic .374 from the field in 2006, then .403 in 2007, .342 in 2008, and he is shooting .241 so far this year. He is not a particularly good free throw shooter, finishing above .70 only one season in free throw percentage.

Some of you guys watch the defensive end better than I do, and one can surmise that based upon Frasor’s offensive statistics, he must be absolutely fantastic on defense to garner the minutes he does.

It is a mystery to me.

]]> By: C. Michael http://www.tarheelblog.com/2008/12/new-three-point-line-impact-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13690 C. Michael Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:38:02 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=2677#comment-13690 Frasor: 31%, 37%, 30%, 26% He is 4 for his last 10, so hopefully he can stay in the 37-40% range the rest of the way. Frasor: 31%, 37%, 30%, 26%

He is 4 for his last 10, so hopefully he can stay in the 37-40% range the rest of the way.

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