Was it or wasn’t it?
Update: ACC Now has a full 15 frames of the jump ball.
I will toss the video and this photo montage from Inside Carolina photographer Jim Hawkins for you folks to chew on. I think both happened. Tyler Hansbrough gets the tie up but based on one angle in the video he also gets his hand in the back of J.T. Thompson. So what happens? I think Karl Hess called what he could see which was the jump ball and missed any contact that occurred. You also have the question of whether the hand in the back was a push or not. In that case maybe they did see it and did not think it was a foul which is possible given the lack of consistency in foul calling.
It should be noted that even if a foul is called here it does not mean VT wins the game. Does it allow them to keep the ball? Sure, they would have inbounded on the baseline with 5.2 seconds left and given some of their interior presence may have gotten a good look. Secondary to that is the fact VT also had a shot to tie the game and missed it.
The tough part of this type of thing for Virginia Tech is they cannot catch a break in any close game they are in whether it is Xavier hitting a halfcourt shot at the buzzer or Jon Scheyer taking 12 steps on one play without a call or now losing in two straight ACC Tournaments to UNC.
The standing take here at THF is referees do not decide games something I have said when UNC is on the wrong end of a call like this, the game at Maryland being a prime example.
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Agree 100%, refs don’t play the game, don’t put yourself in this situation and it doesn’t matter. Regardless, this was a broken play on the VT side of the ball with Thompson headed right down the lane into 3 tar heel defenders including Tyler, is that the play you drew up in the huddle Seth?
I like the emotion but Seth seems to get too carried away in the game and it costs his team big. Gary Williams is always emotional and does a lot to get his players hyped up but he’s usually in the game, not sure I can say the same for Big Seth.
Scott
I going to to say it was a good call. First he bumped into Tyler, no call, second Tyler had his hand on the ball as the pics show, third they missed the foul on the last basket by Tyler. Seth should had been called for a technical for his tantrum on the sideline. Sorry Tech, you do not deserve to make the dance.
I only caught the last two minutes, that’s why we won, so I can’t say I am the best judge. Sorry but I will not be able to watch the game tomorrow so I take full responsiblity if the Heels lose.
I think it was a good call. Better than the one they called against Tyler on the other end.
I waited for Greenberg to blow a gasket or maybe two…I saw a post-game comment complaining about the foul calls. Given what I’ve watched in the Big East this season, nothing more than incidental contact.
Maybe he should chase after famous alum’s shot-wizard offspring a little more closely. He might avoid such close calls for the NCAA.
I have never liked the whole jump ball concept, but I agree with this call
maybe we should adopt the jump ball instead of possession arrow.
Did anyone notice how quick they called jump ball when Deon Thompson was going up. The defender simply smacked it out of his hands, and we would have regained possession by simply picking the ball back up, instead it was called a jump ball and went the other way. I think you need at least a second where both players have a hand on the ball, when someone slaps the ball out of your hands, and you no longer have possession of it, then that needs to be a no call, and the guys can battle for the loose ball.
At first, I thought it was a bad call, but looking at it again, I don’t think so. It’s borderline, but was in line with the way the game was called.
Hansbrough is the man and has a will of iron.
I saw a postgame comment from Greenberg about Ty not playing. He said we have lots of players, that when one McD AA goes out another McD AA comes in. He forgot to mention that the missing player was ACC MVP and that the replacement has struggled through two seasons of injuries and hasn’t quite made it back to form.
Like about a half dozen calls per game, it could have gone the other way. But from what I saw, the call as made has the better case. Just because TH had his hand on J. T. Thompson doesn’t make it a foul, and TH had a lot more of the ball than he did of the player.
Hey, Rath, does the 68 refer to your years at UNC? If so, we were on campus at the same time. I enrolled fall ’65.
LarryP — Under the Fifth Amendment, I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that my answer might tend to expose me as an old fogie. However, it would appear that we were on campus at the same time. I lived in Joyner the first three years, then Mangum. And I was a regular at the late, beloved Rat.
I would have never guessed you were a Rat patron.
Seriously, I lived mostly at Graham in the Lower Quad, but spent most of my time at Woollen or Carmichael playing pickup ball. That’s one reason I didn’t get my degree until 2001 after I went back to make amends. But it was worth the wait, seeing as how I got to see all those games involving Lewis, Miller, Scott, Clark, et al.
You should check out the whine fest over at SFN. Reading that you would be led to believe UNC gets every single call and the ACC conspires to make sure UNC gets every call.
LarryP and Rathskellar68,
Good to see some of my contemporaries on the site. I graduated (undergrad) in 1966, and lived in Alexander all four years. I can still taste the cheese pizza, unique French salad dressing, and the sweetened iced tea at the Rat. As recent as a couple of years ago, a few waiters from the 1960s were still there. I would love to eat one more time at the Porthole, the Zoom Zoom, and the Carolina Grill, the ultimate greasy spoon.
rbl,
My freshman roomie conned me into eating at the Carolina Grill a few times, something about his uncle owning the joint. They had good steaks and plenty of greasy fries.
I also enjoyed the Pines with their special Pine cheese steak, not to mention Brady’s. The Porthole had the best yeast rolls.
Nice too see the old guys with still so much passion for the Heels. Keep up good comments and enjoy making new memories on this web site.
franklinmanor — We’re not old. We’re “seasoned.” But thanks for the compliment. Glad you put it here in writing — the hearing ain’t that good anymore.
rbl — When we felt flush, or the parents were in town, we’d go to the Peddler or the Ranch House.
It was at the Rat that I first had sweetened tea. Boy was it good. Louise’s home made vegetable soup was always great. And yes, LarryP, the rolls at the Porthole were terrific. I could eat all I wanted and still weigh 125 skinny pounds. Uncgirl won’t know what she’s missing.
There was barely a South Campus. Eringhaus and Morrison had been built, but they were viewed as isolated outposts in sort of another country. Now you go to South Campus and it’s like Manhattan. Except Manhattan has cabs.
Whoa! Did any of you happen to notice that chest bump that Tyler thrust upon Danny Freaking Green?!?! He nearly knocked him out of the frame! That’s what I’m talking about! FSU are gonna bring everything and Douglas will be looking for blood. How much do we leave on the court knowing we are a safe #1 seed?
DeanForever — I just want to know what the plan is to deal with Toney Douglas. TH will take care of everything they throw at him. But this Douglas guy is a menace.
Rathskellar68-
I have no asnwers…I think the game will come down to Douglas and Hansbrough. However, now would be a good time for Wayne to go off for say, mmmm, like 35 points or so. Yeah, that would be my answer. I’m watching some great footage on YouTube of the Vince Carter breakout game vs. Wake in ’97, enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1KTvUKRITY&feature=related
Cheers,
DF
The pictures are worth a 1000 words. TH’s left hand clearly is “all ball” and whether or not his right hand touches Thompson is open for debate.
I hope the whiners and conspiracy theorist at SFN are also up in arms over the foul on Ellington and the missed goal tending call???
If VT wanted to win that game, maybe they shouldn’t have let Tyler dribble right to the goal, as happened a few moments earlier.
I still sport a scar on my wrist from accidentally touching one of those red-hot skillet handles they served you on at the Zoom Zoom room.
Ummm. The predominant thing I see in that video is not a foul. I see Thompson traveling.