Draft Express has the full measurements from the draft combine which is intriguing and I suppose worth talking about.
The biggest surprise? Wayne Ellington has a higher max vertical than Gerald Henderson…by three inches. Surprising because if you watched Duke play this season you were convinced by the media in general that Henderson was the 2nd coming of Grant Hill. As I stated at one point during the season, there were plenty of signs that Ellington may have been the better player. Now we know he can actually jump higher too.
Also surprising was that Danny Green’s max vertical is listed as 33 inches. Greg Paulus, upon hearing that, was heard exclaiming: “BS!” I might be inclined to agree considering this:
I don’t know…that looks higher than 33 inches to me. Incidentally, Ty Lawson’s vertical is 36 inches and Tyler Hansbrough’s was 34 inches, one inch less than Blake Griffin though Griffin was a full five inches higher in the no step vertical mesurement. The 3/4 court sprint also yielded some interesting numbers. Lawson ran it in 3.12 seconds which was actually slightly slower than the top time by FSU’s Toney Douglas at 3.03. Hansbrough was one hundredeth of a second faster than Griffin and Stephen Curry. It also turns out Maryland Greivis Vasquez is slow by comparison clocking a 3.48.
Hansbrough will end up benefiting greatly from this process, especially since he was measured at 6’9.25″ after years of folks believe he was only 6’7″. Without his shoes he was a 1.25 inches shorter. The benefit for Hansbrough comes in the fact that his physical numbers are very close to Blake Griffin’s dispeling some concerns that Hansbrough was perhaps did not possess the necessary attributes to compete in the NBA in terms of his height/reach/veritcal. Much of what we see here addresses those concerns. For the other three Heels, this probably does nothing to help or hurt them.
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Ellington nearly doubled his bench number, going from 7 to 13. That along with his jumping numbers and height should help cement him in the 1sy round.
I’m surprised Hansbrough only did 18 reps on the bench. I would have thought he would be higher.
That picture never gets old.
C. Michael: my thought would be that those who emphasize the bench in their taining would do better at it. Blake Griffin is absolutely an amazing “beast” anyway. My perception is that Tyler’s training regimen is geared more towards overall body strength and explosiveness as it relates to actual basketball performance. I think his slightly surprising jumping results are a by-product of that. In any case, I doubt that there are few players in the draft who are stronger overall than Tyler.
i would love it if teams brought in tyler and blake for a workout. Tyler could play tough D and score on Griffin at times, and it would be a lot closer than people thought, which is why i know his work ethic and attitude will lead him to a modestly successful career. i mean, who thought he’d do what he did at UNC? we as tarheels can’t complain about the criticism one bit, b/c that’s what you get when you do well, have success, and are at the top of your game…..you get attention and people who try to pick that apart. i don’t need to make an argument for tyler in the pro’s, he’ll look back and laugh at people who thought he’d never make it.
Asheville Heel:
I agree. This is one of the reasons why the NFL (225) and NBA (185) test bench press a such low weights. “Anyone” can go in and do one heavy rep, but to be able to do a lot of reps in a confined time really demonstrates a level of fitness. Schwarzenegger is a great example of this. When he was in his prime, he could easily bench press 500 pounds, but what he was famous for, and what many would say made him so good on stage, were his workouts were he would do high reps: as many as 35 at 315 lbs and upwards of 60 at 225!
You know another great part of that picture is the look on the student’s faces. They’re just like OMFG. An
Mastercard could run another ad featuring Peyton Manning…”watching Duke get run in their own gym: Priceless”
C Michael:
Where do you come up with this stuff?
Arnold Stats?
Hey bet you didn’t know about his heart surgery.
Hard work > than talent
Hard work + talent = superstar
It is such a challenge to understand who will do what in the NBA and that’s one reason we have all of these stats and the many others that THF has posted over the last two weeks. Now my perspective is skewed since I watched mostly tar heel games but you have to assume that Tyler works harder – strength training & diet than just about anyone. When Phelps was winning medals and they discussed his workout and his nutrition it sounded just like Tyler. I think he has a tremendous amount of talent and his work ethic is just amazing. When he goes to the NBA he will grow in strength, skill and ability and I think he will be a fantastic pro. I don’t see any issues with Green, Ellington or Lawson either but I think someone is going to be very happy with a Lawson selection. Amazing that he is “supposedly” being slighted to some degree. Hard to tell but he is just so fast and his 3 so reliable I know he will play big soon.
AZACCFan,
Schwarzenegger’s Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding. 800-pages of pure training bliss and my bible!
Let’s put it like this. Terence Oglesby said he left Clemson for Europe because he wanted to spend six hours a day working on his game. Essentially working out and practicing would be his job. Anyone want to lay odds on what will happen when basketball is Tyler Hansbrough’s actual job and sole focus? Think about the possibilities of a guy who works as hard as Hansbrough does not having anything else to focus on but basketball.
“Think about the possibilities of a guy who works as hard as Hansbrough does not having anything else to focus on but basketball.”
I actually think this is Tyler’s potential downfall: over-training. Going from college (30-40 games) to the pros (80-100 games) is an enormous jump. If I were the team that drafts Tyler, I would be very careful to make sure that he doesn’t break himself down 2/3 of the way through his rookie year. While this is a problem all GM’s and coaches would love to have with all their players, it is still needs to be watched. Tyler’s already had one scare with a potential stress fracture.
Haven’t any of you guys ever done something extremely athletic in a game of basketball that you simply can’t do when trying to? I have jumped from one side of the goal, did a double pump, and smacked the ball off the backboard on the other side for an emphatic layup. As much as I have tried, I can never do that when I set out to when it is just me out there practicing. I have also leaped over the rim for rebounds & put-backs and have had other guys tell me, “why didn’t you just dunk it since you were already up there?”. But when it is just me playing, I couldn’t dunk if my life depended on it.
I think that is the Tyler phenomenon. He is just able to do things in the game that he can’t duplicate in practice by simply trying to impress someone. He has to have that on-court adrenaline and physical nature of the game to do what he does best.
Can anyone name these players in their final year in college?
GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
32 33.4 15.3 45.1 47.4 83.4 6.6 4.5 0.0 2.4
GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
35 29.943 16.6 53.2 47.2 79.8 6.571 2.971 0.143 2.143
Hint: One went 4th in the draft and the others ‘stock is falling’.
I am amazed at how similar the stats of these 2 players are; yet, the pre-draft buzz is totally different. If you normalize the offensive numbers by minutes, the second stat line above is better. Other differences….one punched another annoying player (maybe that’s why he got picked fourth)….one improved as his career went on….one has a ring
…. one is an NBA all-star, the the other????
Defensive differences: one is an inch shorter but weighs 20 lbs more. Perhaps that explains why HE PLAYS BETTER DEFENSE (IMHO)
See…
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/wake-forest/chris-paul
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/north-carolina/ty-lawson