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		<title>By: Jordan8027</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan8027</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with ChuckHeel in that I&#039;d take butch davis over the carl torbush / john bunting days anytime.  i was a senior during the 2002-03 campaign, in which my fellow senior buddies and I toughed out every home game of the season.  Most of the games seemed to be played in the rain, and the jack daniels of those years MIGHT have me fuzzy a bit, but i recall losing every single home game that season.  I do believe we faced ECU w/ David Garrard, a Miami-OH team who had big ben roethlisberger at qb, and texas as a few of the non conference games, which didn&#039;t help.  but losing every single game at home that year SUCKED&gt;  Butch can be judged or criticized for x&#039;s and o&#039;s, but let&#039;s be honest, i don&#039;t think we can get the best of both worlds here at carolina, and i&#039;d rather put out a team of studs and eventually fill the roles of assistant coaches with up and comers who can right teh ship than have a coach who is an x and o genius who has to game plan and try to outmaneuver even the least quality opponent.  

as far as this year&#039;s team, last year we lost 3 NFL players, one of which just today (nicks) broke open a ridiculous WR screen and took it to the house, on the NFL level...that makes a young defense and an inexperienced qb look REALLY good when you just throw it in the general area of WR&#039;s and you&#039;re practically guaranteed to score 21 points per game.  Plus, with recruiting, the first step is get top recruits, so butch is going after top players to start and fill starting roles.  I think that football being such a huge roster, it probably takes until the second cycle or recruiting (accompanied by some success) until we get experienced players that are top tier caliber as backups.  Right now, 3 or 4 years into his recruiting/program building, we really just can&#039;t afford to get hit w/ the types of injuries we&#039;ve had.  It&#039;s really been the perfect storm:  3 18 year old receivers and one converted RB to receiver, a not so mobile QB, and one experience offensive lineman (jolly, any updates on his late game injury). 

Watching the game was sad and yes i don&#039;t think we can beat anyone unless we specifically game plan for the fact that the pocket lasts about 1 second and then the ball has to come out, utilizing draws, quick screens, and moving the pocket on bootlegs and rollouts.  TJ had zero time to throw, and he&#039;s not comfortable enough yet to take a beating all day and still deliver to guys he hasn&#039;t even practiced with for an entire year.  Draughn maybe could fall forward and hit holes a little bit better, but he&#039;s a game changing running back, not a battle ram.  If we went full time to Houston, we might move the chains a few more times, but it takes away the big play capability.  

Look, i&#039;m not a football expert, but no O-Line seems to be 100% of the problem and it&#039;s not even the players faults, they&#039;re getting thrown in a year or two before they&#039;re ready, playing with new guys, and the rest of the team is suffering b/c of it.  we can&#039;t throw down field b/c there is hardly enough time, and we can&#039;t pick up 3 or 4 yards on 1st and 2nd down to give us managable 3rd downs.  thus we have to throw on 3rd and long and the defense is ready for it.  then, when we inevitably don&#039;t convert, our defense is asked yet again to get stops. against GT, it was excusable, but against UVA, it is not, but there were only a handful of times we didn&#039;t punt from our 20 and give them the ball on their 40, forcing the D to hold them to 9 points (for most of the game) on short fields.  Our defense is good, but they&#039;re still a year away too from being dominant.  so i don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to say that they should not only get every single stop, but also score for us too.  and i don&#039;t think our D is good enough to get basically zero time of possession against a veteran GT team and think they should shut them out.  

Hopefully the GA Southern game gives us some confidence boostage, people get healthy, and the coaches actually build a plan around our young and inexperienced o-line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with ChuckHeel in that I&#8217;d take butch davis over the carl torbush / john bunting days anytime.  i was a senior during the 2002-03 campaign, in which my fellow senior buddies and I toughed out every home game of the season.  Most of the games seemed to be played in the rain, and the jack daniels of those years MIGHT have me fuzzy a bit, but i recall losing every single home game that season.  I do believe we faced ECU w/ David Garrard, a Miami-OH team who had big ben roethlisberger at qb, and texas as a few of the non conference games, which didn&#8217;t help.  but losing every single game at home that year SUCKED&gt;  Butch can be judged or criticized for x&#8217;s and o&#8217;s, but let&#8217;s be honest, i don&#8217;t think we can get the best of both worlds here at carolina, and i&#8217;d rather put out a team of studs and eventually fill the roles of assistant coaches with up and comers who can right teh ship than have a coach who is an x and o genius who has to game plan and try to outmaneuver even the least quality opponent.  </p>
<p>as far as this year&#8217;s team, last year we lost 3 NFL players, one of which just today (nicks) broke open a ridiculous WR screen and took it to the house, on the NFL level&#8230;that makes a young defense and an inexperienced qb look REALLY good when you just throw it in the general area of WR&#8217;s and you&#8217;re practically guaranteed to score 21 points per game.  Plus, with recruiting, the first step is get top recruits, so butch is going after top players to start and fill starting roles.  I think that football being such a huge roster, it probably takes until the second cycle or recruiting (accompanied by some success) until we get experienced players that are top tier caliber as backups.  Right now, 3 or 4 years into his recruiting/program building, we really just can&#8217;t afford to get hit w/ the types of injuries we&#8217;ve had.  It&#8217;s really been the perfect storm:  3 18 year old receivers and one converted RB to receiver, a not so mobile QB, and one experience offensive lineman (jolly, any updates on his late game injury). </p>
<p>Watching the game was sad and yes i don&#8217;t think we can beat anyone unless we specifically game plan for the fact that the pocket lasts about 1 second and then the ball has to come out, utilizing draws, quick screens, and moving the pocket on bootlegs and rollouts.  TJ had zero time to throw, and he&#8217;s not comfortable enough yet to take a beating all day and still deliver to guys he hasn&#8217;t even practiced with for an entire year.  Draughn maybe could fall forward and hit holes a little bit better, but he&#8217;s a game changing running back, not a battle ram.  If we went full time to Houston, we might move the chains a few more times, but it takes away the big play capability.  </p>
<p>Look, i&#8217;m not a football expert, but no O-Line seems to be 100% of the problem and it&#8217;s not even the players faults, they&#8217;re getting thrown in a year or two before they&#8217;re ready, playing with new guys, and the rest of the team is suffering b/c of it.  we can&#8217;t throw down field b/c there is hardly enough time, and we can&#8217;t pick up 3 or 4 yards on 1st and 2nd down to give us managable 3rd downs.  thus we have to throw on 3rd and long and the defense is ready for it.  then, when we inevitably don&#8217;t convert, our defense is asked yet again to get stops. against GT, it was excusable, but against UVA, it is not, but there were only a handful of times we didn&#8217;t punt from our 20 and give them the ball on their 40, forcing the D to hold them to 9 points (for most of the game) on short fields.  Our defense is good, but they&#8217;re still a year away too from being dominant.  so i don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to say that they should not only get every single stop, but also score for us too.  and i don&#8217;t think our D is good enough to get basically zero time of possession against a veteran GT team and think they should shut them out.  </p>
<p>Hopefully the GA Southern game gives us some confidence boostage, people get healthy, and the coaches actually build a plan around our young and inexperienced o-line.</p>
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		<title>By: Santiago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santiago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mack Brown had us on the precipice, but Dick Baddour botched the process and Brown ended up at Texas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That sounds like you think Baddour made Mack Brown decide to go to Texas. While I&#039;d agree that Baddour &quot;botched the process&quot; after Mack Brown left, I&#039;d assert that UNC could not have won a bidding war with Texas 12 years ago, and there was little chance Mack Brown was staying anyway.

Also, I think comparing Mack Brown to Butch Davis isn&#039;t far off. Mack Brown was a great recruiter who could sell ice to Eskimos, but wasn&#039;t the greatest sideline general. So far, that&#039;s Butch Davis, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mack Brown had us on the precipice, but Dick Baddour botched the process and Brown ended up at Texas.</p></blockquote>
<p>That sounds like you think Baddour made Mack Brown decide to go to Texas. While I&#8217;d agree that Baddour &#8220;botched the process&#8221; after Mack Brown left, I&#8217;d assert that UNC could not have won a bidding war with Texas 12 years ago, and there was little chance Mack Brown was staying anyway.</p>
<p>Also, I think comparing Mack Brown to Butch Davis isn&#8217;t far off. Mack Brown was a great recruiter who could sell ice to Eskimos, but wasn&#8217;t the greatest sideline general. So far, that&#8217;s Butch Davis, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Tar Heel Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tar Heel Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^That is why you need a coach who is committed for the long haul and capable of doing more with less.  We will see if that is Butch Davis.  Some folks think Davis is a great recruiter but lacks the sense of Xs and Os. What UNC might ultimately need is a guy like Jim Grobe.  Heck I was all for Paul Johnson who proved at Navy he could take lesser personnel and compete via superior offensive scheming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^That is why you need a coach who is committed for the long haul and capable of doing more with less.  We will see if that is Butch Davis.  Some folks think Davis is a great recruiter but lacks the sense of Xs and Os. What UNC might ultimately need is a guy like Jim Grobe.  Heck I was all for Paul Johnson who proved at Navy he could take lesser personnel and compete via superior offensive scheming.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
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		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  I don&#039;t think they can do any better than Davis.  If it doesn&#039;t work, it doesn&#039;t work.  

Spurrier and Holtz didn&#039;t exactly do the waltz at South Carolina, a school with a similar historical level of success as UNC in football, but one that actually disdains its basketball tradition, which is far better, and hopes to be an SEC football power.  

Maybe we can do it again, but is it sustainable?  Michigan, one of the few to win titles in both sports, is not exactly up to standards in either sport right now.  Florida maintained its football success, even after Spurrier left, but has struggled in basketball.  

Top talent in math and physics go to Cal Tech and MIT and top talent in basketball go to UNC, Kentucky and Kansas.  These are schools where the focus is on basketball in October.  I am just not sure that your top recruits want to go to a school like Florida where the student body doesn&#039;t even think about basketball until close to February.

Texas has done a nice job recruiting in both sports but I get the feeling that a lot of that is due to the sheer amount of oil money going into beautiful facilities.  In terms of fan interest, people in Texas care more about spring practice than they do about their perennially good basketball team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I don&#8217;t think they can do any better than Davis.  If it doesn&#8217;t work, it doesn&#8217;t work.  </p>
<p>Spurrier and Holtz didn&#8217;t exactly do the waltz at South Carolina, a school with a similar historical level of success as UNC in football, but one that actually disdains its basketball tradition, which is far better, and hopes to be an SEC football power.  </p>
<p>Maybe we can do it again, but is it sustainable?  Michigan, one of the few to win titles in both sports, is not exactly up to standards in either sport right now.  Florida maintained its football success, even after Spurrier left, but has struggled in basketball.  </p>
<p>Top talent in math and physics go to Cal Tech and MIT and top talent in basketball go to UNC, Kentucky and Kansas.  These are schools where the focus is on basketball in October.  I am just not sure that your top recruits want to go to a school like Florida where the student body doesn&#8217;t even think about basketball until close to February.</p>
<p>Texas has done a nice job recruiting in both sports but I get the feeling that a lot of that is due to the sheer amount of oil money going into beautiful facilities.  In terms of fan interest, people in Texas care more about spring practice than they do about their perennially good basketball team.</p>
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		<title>By: chuckheel85</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuckheel85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,
You&#039;re right...But, as a life-long Carolina Football fan all the way back to the days of Bill Dooley, I sure wish Carolina could win a football championship. Even if they didn&#039;t win but could consistently win 9-10 ball games a year, I would love it.
Everytime we&#039;ve gotten close in the past something has messed it up. We were getting there with Bill Dooley, but we wouldn&#039;t give him the AD&#039;s job. Dick Crum did a good with Dooley&#039;s players, but then alienated all the high school coaches in the state of North Carolina, making it virtually impossible to recruit in our own state.
Mack Brown had us on the precipice, but Dick Baddour botched the process and Brown ended up at Texas.
I just hope that we as a fan base will be patient with Butch Davis. I know we&#039;re disappointed with the offense this year, but I would much rather have the Carolina team and staff we have now, over Carl Torbush and John Bunting any day of the week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,<br />
You&#8217;re right&#8230;But, as a life-long Carolina Football fan all the way back to the days of Bill Dooley, I sure wish Carolina could win a football championship. Even if they didn&#8217;t win but could consistently win 9-10 ball games a year, I would love it.<br />
Everytime we&#8217;ve gotten close in the past something has messed it up. We were getting there with Bill Dooley, but we wouldn&#8217;t give him the AD&#8217;s job. Dick Crum did a good with Dooley&#8217;s players, but then alienated all the high school coaches in the state of North Carolina, making it virtually impossible to recruit in our own state.<br />
Mack Brown had us on the precipice, but Dick Baddour botched the process and Brown ended up at Texas.<br />
I just hope that we as a fan base will be patient with Butch Davis. I know we&#8217;re disappointed with the offense this year, but I would much rather have the Carolina team and staff we have now, over Carl Torbush and John Bunting any day of the week.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
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		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UNC won the national championship in basketball this year.

There are only two college championships that any one cares about and UNC won one of them this year.  Run that by any of your coffee break colleagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNC won the national championship in basketball this year.</p>
<p>There are only two college championships that any one cares about and UNC won one of them this year.  Run that by any of your coffee break colleagues.</p>
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		<title>By: Heels Perspective</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heels Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s hard for me to type as I’m shaking my head even 24 hours after stomaching this game. I was encouraged by the ECU game as I thought, yes, Shoop has figured out how to give Yates a few seconds, yes that’s the key……. Now, I knew GT had slightly better athletes than ECU across the board and I thought, humm, maybe it was just a bad day for TJ. They’ll come back and stomp Virginia, yes, I have faith.

Well, now, and I’ve always tried to be positive, can plainly see that the offensive scheme is so predictable that I was literally calling 2 out 3 plays and making the folks around me laugh. That’s all you could do on such an otherwise beautiful day in Kenan Stadium. Now, I’m a realist, and I know the OL is probably the root of the issue, but this performance was truly, the first game of the Davis era, that was Torbusesque and Buntingesque all rolled up into one. I don’t care if UVA has good athletes, they were beaten by WILLIAM and MARY. 

Yates, I’m sure he’s a great kid, but he is not one cent better than his first day on the field as a FR. It’s time to challenge Mike Paulas, Hansen, Jamal Womble…….heck start the daggone FR o-liners. Teach Ryan Houston how to block and teach Shaughn Draughn how to gain 3 yards instead of losing 2. Teach Wilson and J Boyd how to finish a route. 

I’m done. Still shaking head however. Oh yea, congrats to UVA. I 100% agree with Heeled soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s hard for me to type as I’m shaking my head even 24 hours after stomaching this game. I was encouraged by the ECU game as I thought, yes, Shoop has figured out how to give Yates a few seconds, yes that’s the key……. Now, I knew GT had slightly better athletes than ECU across the board and I thought, humm, maybe it was just a bad day for TJ. They’ll come back and stomp Virginia, yes, I have faith.</p>
<p>Well, now, and I’ve always tried to be positive, can plainly see that the offensive scheme is so predictable that I was literally calling 2 out 3 plays and making the folks around me laugh. That’s all you could do on such an otherwise beautiful day in Kenan Stadium. Now, I’m a realist, and I know the OL is probably the root of the issue, but this performance was truly, the first game of the Davis era, that was Torbusesque and Buntingesque all rolled up into one. I don’t care if UVA has good athletes, they were beaten by WILLIAM and MARY. </p>
<p>Yates, I’m sure he’s a great kid, but he is not one cent better than his first day on the field as a FR. It’s time to challenge Mike Paulas, Hansen, Jamal Womble…….heck start the daggone FR o-liners. Teach Ryan Houston how to block and teach Shaughn Draughn how to gain 3 yards instead of losing 2. Teach Wilson and J Boyd how to finish a route. </p>
<p>I’m done. Still shaking head however. Oh yea, congrats to UVA. I 100% agree with Heeled soul.</p>
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		<title>By: heeledsoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>heeledsoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just too embarassed. After all that talk, i might have to call in sick on Monday. I don&#039;t think I can face all my colleagues making fun of me and my Tar Heels. I&#039;ve got nothing to say. Ah this sucks. 

I&#039;m much more mad at Shoop than I am at Withers. Our offense must be the worst in D1 football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just too embarassed. After all that talk, i might have to call in sick on Monday. I don&#8217;t think I can face all my colleagues making fun of me and my Tar Heels. I&#8217;ve got nothing to say. Ah this sucks. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m much more mad at Shoop than I am at Withers. Our offense must be the worst in D1 football.</p>
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		<title>By: HeelYeah</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeelYeah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the good thing about Houston, if the holes aren&#039;t there then you need a guy who can power through the line.  That&#039;s not Draughn&#039;s style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the good thing about Houston, if the holes aren&#8217;t there then you need a guy who can power through the line.  That&#8217;s not Draughn&#8217;s style.</p>
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		<title>By: Heel To The End</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heel To The End</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^yeah, how does a guy like Houston, who can at least run through and over somebody even if the blocking isnt perfect, get only 3 carries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^yeah, how does a guy like Houston, who can at least run through and over somebody even if the blocking isnt perfect, get only 3 carries?</p>
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