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"(The rivalry is between) the best program in the world vs. a program that is trying to be...

"(The rivalry is between) the best program in the world vs. a program that is trying to be Carolina. It's a wannabe program. They want to be the Tar Heels. They realize after 20-some years, you can't do that. It's never going to happen."

George Karl, neatly summarizing Duke. (The debate with Jones on academics is also interesting, since it's harder to get into UNC from out of state than it is UNJ-D.)
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