"(The rivalry is between) the best program in the world vs. a program that is trying to be Carolina. It's a wannabe program. They want to be the Tar Heels. They realize after 20-some years, you can't do that. It's never going to happen."
— George Karl, neatly summarizing Duke. (The debate with Jones on academics is also interesting, since it's harder to get into UNC from out of state than it is UNJ-D.)