Comments on: Debunking the Marcell Dareus Excuse http://www.tarheelblog.com/2010/07/debunking-the-marcell-dareus-excuse/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:36:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Heel To The End http://www.tarheelblog.com/2010/07/debunking-the-marcell-dareus-excuse/comment-page-1/#comment-49880 Heel To The End Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:16:25 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=7352#comment-49880 here's an interesting story about basketball recruiting that covers an anonymous survey of some coaches and what they think/hate about it. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5398415 of note are the two ways recruits can get money from agents. prepaid debit cards, for example. and all 20 coaches said theyve lost a recruit because they wouldnt/couldnt get a relative a job. sounds like that despite reasonable to even unreasonable efforts made by the NCAA, there are just too many sharks in the water out there. here’s an interesting story about basketball recruiting that covers an anonymous survey of some coaches and what they think/hate about it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5398415

of note are the two ways recruits can get money from agents. prepaid debit cards, for example.
and all 20 coaches said theyve lost a recruit because they wouldnt/couldnt get a relative a job.
sounds like that despite reasonable to even unreasonable efforts made by the NCAA, there are just too many sharks in the water out there.

]]> By: Tar Heel Fan http://www.tarheelblog.com/2010/07/debunking-the-marcell-dareus-excuse/comment-page-1/#comment-49879 Tar Heel Fan Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:14:46 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=7352#comment-49879 The N&O created a major issue for themselves when they inexplicably printed a Sunday paper, three days after the story broke with nary a mention of the NCAA investigation but had two articles about Dean Smith and two fluff pieces about UNC football. That set off the black helicopter crowd in Wolfpack Nation and it also looked really bad. As a result, I think Giglio and ACC Now felt they needed to "catch up" so they posted everything they could get and even hat tipped SFN in the process. SFN went in full bore because they felt the N&O dropped the ball so they compensated by putting out everything they could find. UNC's silence, which remains the correct approach IMO, does create a vacuum and this is the result. I have a tough time buying IC posters most of the time. Some of the stuff is simply too neatly packaged. I have serious doubts someone at the NCAA is gabbing to a friend with that many specifics. Also, the NCAA has guidelines on what percentage of games will be missed for certain degrees of improper benefits. I do not see them sitting that many players for a whole season unless they are simply insane with power and want to prove a point. Not sure what point that would be. If the intention is going after the agents is the NCAA so hellbent on that they would be willing to leave this much collateral damage in their wake? The N&O created a major issue for themselves when they inexplicably printed a Sunday paper, three days after the story broke with nary a mention of the NCAA investigation but had two articles about Dean Smith and two fluff pieces about UNC football. That set off the black helicopter crowd in Wolfpack Nation and it also looked really bad.

As a result, I think Giglio and ACC Now felt they needed to “catch up” so they posted everything they could get and even hat tipped SFN in the process. SFN went in full bore because they felt the N&O dropped the ball so they compensated by putting out everything they could find. UNC’s silence, which remains the correct approach IMO, does create a vacuum and this is the result.

I have a tough time buying IC posters most of the time. Some of the stuff is simply too neatly packaged. I have serious doubts someone at the NCAA is gabbing to a friend with that many specifics. Also, the NCAA has guidelines on what percentage of games will be missed for certain degrees of improper benefits. I do not see them sitting that many players for a whole season unless they are simply insane with power and want to prove a point. Not sure what point that would be. If the intention is going after the agents is the NCAA so hellbent on that they would be willing to leave this much collateral damage in their wake?

]]> By: Jonathan Starsmore http://www.tarheelblog.com/2010/07/debunking-the-marcell-dareus-excuse/comment-page-1/#comment-49878 Jonathan Starsmore Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:33:00 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=7352#comment-49878 ^That's just more unsubstantiated -- and unsubstantiable -- rumormongering. The internet is full of those right now, and if you let each new steaming batch jerk you around, you're really giving yourself more emotional distress than you need in your life. Trust only what reports come down from credible sources -- UNC, AP, ESPN, IC's reporters (not any of their board posters, no matter how supposedly "in the know" they are) -- and look at everything else as scuttlebutt that needs to be ignored. That includes, but is not limited to, all message boards, SFN, the 'Bama SBNation site, National Football Post, and the News & Observer, which lost all credibility in reporting this situation the moment Giglio's editors allowed him to cite Twitter as "evidence". ^That’s just more unsubstantiated — and unsubstantiable — rumormongering. The internet is full of those right now, and if you let each new steaming batch jerk you around, you’re really giving yourself more emotional distress than you need in your life. Trust only what reports come down from credible sources — UNC, AP, ESPN, IC’s reporters (not any of their board posters, no matter how supposedly “in the know” they are) — and look at everything else as scuttlebutt that needs to be ignored. That includes, but is not limited to, all message boards, SFN, the ‘Bama SBNation site, National Football Post, and the News & Observer, which lost all credibility in reporting this situation the moment Giglio’s editors allowed him to cite Twitter as “evidence”.

]]> By: Heel To The End http://www.tarheelblog.com/2010/07/debunking-the-marcell-dareus-excuse/comment-page-1/#comment-49877 Heel To The End Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:14:59 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=7352#comment-49877 that post will be a good test of how much stock any of us should put into people who write clearly, dont seem to have an agenda, and arent generally inflammatory. this guy has 4500 posts over there so it isnt some State fan who just signed up to post it. 5 players for the year sounds way overboard from what we've heard so far. that post will be a good test of how much stock any of us should put into people who write clearly, dont seem to have an agenda, and arent generally inflammatory.
this guy has 4500 posts over there so it isnt some State fan who just signed up to post it.
5 players for the year sounds way overboard from what we’ve heard so far.

]]> By: Heel To The End http://www.tarheelblog.com/2010/07/debunking-the-marcell-dareus-excuse/comment-page-1/#comment-49875 Heel To The End Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:14:12 +0000 http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/?p=7352#comment-49875 from another IC poster a bit ago. feel free to delete it, THF, if i really shouldnt be reposting from other sites. i hope this guy's source doesnt know what he thinks he knows. "The biggest detail to his info was that the NCAA is trying to determine whether or not any of our coaches knew about this party. If any of our coaches knew about this there will be sanctions against the program. Then he mentioned something about "Black Santa" and his agent being on the hot seat. Player #8's father also hurt our case with the info he came forward with. Not sure if this was something on TWITTER or was told to an investigator. He also said minimum of 5 maximum of 8 players suspended for this season. That blew me away because I never thought that many players were involved. He didn't know the names he was only given a number. Other than #8 and #9 I don't know who the other players are. If I could go back in time I would destroy TWITTER. My man is very credible. He wouldn't lie. He has a friend that works at the NCAA in Indy that was telling him what he knew off the record." from another IC poster a bit ago.
feel free to delete it, THF, if i really shouldnt be reposting from other sites.
i hope this guy’s source doesnt know what he thinks he knows.

“The biggest detail to his info was that the NCAA is trying to determine whether or not any of our coaches knew about this party. If any of our coaches knew about this there will be sanctions against the program. Then he mentioned something about “Black Santa” and his agent being on the hot seat. Player #8′s father also hurt our case with the info he came forward with. Not sure if this was something on TWITTER or was told to an investigator. He also said minimum of 5 maximum of 8 players suspended for this season. That blew me away because I never thought that many players were involved. He didn’t know the names he was only given a number. Other than #8 and #9 I don’t know who the other players are. If I could go back in time I would destroy TWITTER.

My man is very credible. He wouldn’t lie. He has a friend that works at the NCAA in Indy that was telling him what he knew off the record.”

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