A nice rundown from the N&O’s Andrew Carter on defending three pointer vs Duke. Roy Williams described grading UNC’s defense versus Duke from the first game.
You can read the full article here. Carter summarizes Roy’s description of 23 of Duke 36 three point attempts.
So to summarize … among those Duke’s 36 shots from behind the 3-point line, Williams counted:
- Four that came as a result of dribble penetration and passes out to the perimeter.
- Five that came after a UNC defender went under a screen, instead of over it.
- One that came when a Duke player made a “big-time” shot when UNC correctly defended the player.
- Four that came on what Williams described as a “stare-down.”
- Two that came after a staggered screen at the elbow.
- Two (or three) that came after double screens across the top of the key.
- One that came after Seth Curry lost Kendall Marshall after Curry made a nice cut.
- One that came after Tyler Thornton’s fake pass faked out the UNC defense, leaving Thornton open.
- Two that came after the center threw it diagonally across the court to a forward.That only accounts for 23 of the 3-point attempts, of course. But, as you can see, defending the 3 against Duke isn’t as easy as it might sound.
The basic point? Duke gets three pointers using a variety of methods. Roy even says there isn’t a common thread and there is no single solution to defending Duke’s threes. That being said, the Tar Heels need to do a better job in certain aspects of their three point defense. There has been frequent discussion on this blog of UNC players going under screens as opposed to over them. By Roy’s accounting here, it happened five times versus Duke. Obviously Roy is not teaching them to go under screens, it is the reaction of the player in that moment. Getting around screens and closing out without fouling would cut into some of Duke’s three point shooting.
Roy also mentioned “stare downs” and unless the player is Austin Rivers or Seth Curry, it probably makes sense to close out and not worry about the drive. With Curry and Rivers, their driving ability has to be respected but that doesn’t mean you aren’t aggressive and force them to put the ball on the f loor from time to time. Tyler Zeller and John Henson can make life very difficult in the paint, even for players who can hit shots like Curry and Rivers. The downside there is a potential for foul trouble which UNC cannot afford.
The bottom line is make Duke earn every shot with a solid team defensive effort. It is not as much about one match-up as it is all the Tar Heels on the court trusting their teammates and helping at the right moment. Whatever the case don’t let it be a situation where Duke gets open shots because of poor defense. UNC should defend the perimeter aggressively. If Duke has to really work for every shot, that also could lead to fatigue and tired legs later in the game. Make them earn it. Every. Single. Time.
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As Brian points out, a consistent defensive effort (because of our height, length, quickness, and pride) from the opening tip to the final buzzer should negate Duke’s ability to make plays and knock down treys.
It would also be nice if we avoid fouling the flailing arms and legs of the descending three point shooter, as the officials are convinced that the defense is gaining an advantage by coming into contact with these habitually flung appendages.
Perhaps, Roy should have his guys act like they are tripped on the play and then argue that the flailing appendages prevented his guys from leaking out for the snowbird after the offensive rebound. Isn’t that gaining an advantage? Seriously, the officials (from high school to the pros) should apply some common sense to this situation immediately. After all, it unnecessarily stops the flow of the game, which is the opposite of the “letting them play” line of thinking.
I’m not suggesting our guys don’t or shouldn’t do it. The officials have made it a “basketball play” and you have to make basketball plays to win basketball games. I’m just saying a 5’10″ guard shouldn’t shoot three free throws for kicking someone after the release while a 6’11″ center gets hammered on the way up and shoots no free throws simply due to proximity to the basket.
If PJ toes the line Heels win by twenty.
I’ve neveer understood why, when a team or a guy is hot from the three we dont take two steps out to the line. They either have to shoot a longer three or get by us in the lane, which is kind of what we want, our bigs are pretty big or they get credit for two points not three.
Without going over the game film, and seeing how they were guarded, it’s hard to tell why Duke shot under 30% from long range in 6 of its 15 ACC games. In a big game like tonight, though, I wouldn’t count on the odds being in UNC’s favor, or them continuing to shoot at home worse than they have on the road. If they’re going to beat us that way, Brian’s right, make them earn it.
make duke shoot floaters all day. its ok.
- Four that came as a result of dribble penetration and passes out to the perimeter.
– Five that came after a UNC defender went under a screen, instead of over it.
– Four that came on what Williams described as a “stare-down.”
That’s (at least) 13 that weren’t defended properly.
When/if they get dribble penetration, let them have it. If they score 2 on us, big deal – we’ll go down the court and score 2 on them. But letting them score 3 while we can only score 2… well, the math doesn’t work. Besides, when they drive all the way to the basket, Henson is going to block their shot anyways.
And every time they run under a screen a little bit of good disappears from the world. They need to remember that.
Also, keep Bullock on Rivers right from the start. Barnes proved in the last game that he can’t hang with Rivers. Maybe Curry is slow enough for Barnes to guard.
well, well, WELL.
from the article:
On Friday, Harrison Barnes provided a succinct explanation for the problem that type of differential poses: “Threes add up a lot faster than twos.”
3>2?
the prosecution rests, your honor.
^850, absolutely. drives and kicks to the perimeter conveniently omits the parenthetical (where we leave our man and help our teammate when they dont need help and we actually provide almost no help in reality)
from the article:
“We just have to keep the ball in front of us,” sophomore point guard Kendall Marshall said. “If we’re not in a position where we’re constantly helping, then we’re not having to rotate as much and I think that will help our cause a lot more… We just have to be aware of where their shooters are and make it tough for them.”
if we’re not in a position where we’re CONSTANTLY helping…
hello!
my comments from the game thread on any game in 2007…2008…2009…2010…called and wants its point acknowledged.
obviously, we follow OUR team closer than any other, but has anyone ever known a team or a time where we hear from coaches and current players and former players (like Montross) who point out that current players are doing the OPPOSITE of what theyre instructed to do?
especially when it comes to defending the screen, it seems guys are flat out NOT doing what theyre told, and everyone knows it. isnt that weird??
Every time a Plumlee is double teamed a puppy dies. They need to remember that.
Every time a dook guard is double teamed in the paint babies cry*. They need to remember that.
(Actually a lot of adult UNC fans cry too)
10 hours!
Duke is averaging 8.3 of 24.9 (33.3%) three-pointers in its 7 ACC games at Cameron this year. That means tonight…….Well, I do expect them to do better than that, percentage-wise, but the question is how many can we stand to give up and still win? A lot will depend on the Heels being able to be as effective in the paint as in the first game, and hopefully hit more than 1 lousy three.
In game 1, the three-point differential was 13. They made 14, UNC made 1. So tonight, I would say if we can match them three for three, above giving them their expected 9, we should be in good shape.
Just read this cool tidbit in Andrew Carter’s N&O piece this morning.
“Zeller spent the hours after the Duke loss sitting stunned, but he has played some of his finest games since and has emerged as a leading candidate for ACC Player of the Year. (Roy)Williams’ perfect ending for tonight, he said, would be for Zeller to make a game-winning 3 at the buzzer over ‘some little guard.”
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/03/03/1900867/unc-eagerly-awaits-rematch.html#storylink=cpy
Awesome!
I’m not one to habitually whine about the refs, but tarheelsky makes a good point–JUST BE CONSISTENT Refs! If you’re going to let em play hack-a-Shack inside, then don’t call the flops and flails outside…or, conversely, if you do decide to call em close, then call the Goons for their inside grappling. Surely we aren’t the only ones who know this is the narrative for every Duke game-plan??
^Just watch:
And a feeling of dread settled upon them, a sound like a thousand lost souls wailing split the air. The earth was split asunder and from that gaping hole that led straight down to hell itself did Karl Hess appear…
“In game 1, the three-point differential was 13. They made 14, UNC made 1. So tonight, I would say if we can match them three for three, above giving them their expected 9, we should be in good shape.”
I’m looking at my own comment here, and it still seems incredible to think that UNC could give up a 9 3PFG differential to Duke and still win. If this had happened in the first game, though, they’d have won by 7 points.
In Duke’s Cameron losses this year, against Miami and FSU, and the other close games they had against Va., Va. Tech, and NCSU, the 3PFG differential was no more than 3. Even in UNC’s 2 losses last year it was no more than 7.
So I guess I’m putting a lot of stock in how good our tall guys are this year, and how effective they will be tonight. Heck, I even think the team will rise to the occasion on defense. But I’ll admit I’m still in finger-crossing mode that KM, HB, RB, and PJH will drain some 3′s. If that happens it will be the most thrilling part of the game for me.
Just noticed the “Howdy, badbadleroybrown” at the top of WordPress, very nice Brian. Howdy to you as well.
It’s good to know that we can breakdown film and that Roy can remember all of the stats so quickly. He’s a sharp guy, every time he does the press conference after a game I’m always impressed with his quick recollection of the stats though I’m sure he’s just seen the final counts before the session.
I have a Dookie at work but he understands basketball well enough. When you talk about talent and players on the court there’s usually not much of a difference between UNC and Dook. Just look at the top 100 players every year or the McD players and where they land over the last ten years. If the talent is lower on one side or another then you have teams with seniors playing at a higher level than the talent on the floor. Next comes the coaching battle. This is where the UNC vs. Dook games are always exciting since you have two quality coaches playing their own different styles with generally the same results – winning. Show me a rivalry with coaches of the same quality, anyone?
At the end of the day it’s hard to take two games from either of these coaches. I’m looking forward to this game as Roy places a higher value on the regular season than the ACC tourney and this counts more toward the seeding in the big dance which is generally Roy’s focus. I expect that we will be ready. Interested to see what the gameplan has in store for Barnes. Someone had mentioned that he may have been told to hold back or put in a position to let Z shine against Maryland. Regardless, he had a less than stellar game and it’s these high pressure situations that he generally rises to the occasion upon. Maybe we will see the Barnes-bot activate, maybe we won’t need too. Hard to say.
If we can win this game and not play FSU in the tournament that would be great. I’m not afraid of losing to the noles but I’d prefer to have my entire team uninjured for the Tournament.
Let’s go Tar Heels…
This team has talked for 2 years, time to put up or shut up. Not just tonight but the next 10 games.
That is all
scl11 – Kendall has the same idea
KButter5: 10-0′s the goal. starts tomorrow…
Friday, March 02, 2012 8:59 PM
also for fun – nice last day of blue dawn video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkX5GXkNgL0
Game 1:
+4 OR
+6 DR
+6 assists
+1 blocks
-1 turnovers
+4 FTs
+6% FG%
+34pts from 2-pt range.
-39pts from 3-pt range.
make a 3, stop a 3 or only do one of those, win.
prevent 4 3-ptFGA, even if they convert those to 4 made 2s, win.
remove any one foolish mistake (Barnes’ words, not mine), win.
competent, not even above average, but just competent officials, who make one obvious call, win.
rematch, more talented, more focused, more determined, Tar Heels win.
“Zeller spent the hours after the Duke loss sitting stunned”
So did I.
I don’t want to feel like that ever again.
Neither does Zeller.
Today we show the haters, imitators, and commentators that the over achieving team from Durham knows how to begin a story but not how to end one. Tarheels 89 dook 74. All bots are activated. That is all.
Game 1:
# of 2-pt attempts by Dawkins: 0
# of 2-pt attempts by Thornton: 0
# of 2-pt attempts by Curry: 2
# of pts off 2-pointers and fouled 2-pointers for Rivers: 11.
Kelly went 1/7 from 3, with the whole drawing Henson out from the rim, and Henson still had 17 boards.
i say we make at least 5 3s of our own tonight.
GameDay is on now.
i see some Tar Heel fans in the crowd.
8 hours!
Curry’s driving ability must be respected?
Duke Jersey crowd cheered Hendersons assault on TH. Stay classy Duke
is Digger wearing…OUR colors?
that is one ugly crowd.
Erin: person has to be in the tent at all times…10 have to be in the tent at night…2 people have to manhug per hour….
Those are some educated bball fans, only duke
Here’s some stats : Let’s score more than those chumps today.
Nothing easy. Foul hard when you foul. Barnes: put on your game face.
Nothing strikes fear into opposing teams and crowds than when he gets the ball and everyone knows he’s going to try to score and they can’t stop him anyway.
What is hubert doing? Embarrassing picks. He should focus on shooting 3s instead.
It’s simple. Previous Dook teams had the ability to win by driving or, although seldomly, scoring form the low post. This edition of Dook MUST MUST hit threes to win. Carolina must force all the Dook guards to shoot contested threes. Do not respect the Plumlees. Do not respect the drive. Do not respect the 2. Make Dook shoot a very low percentage from 3, and Carolina wins this game by double digits.